Some people say the fifth precept is concerned with alcohol. Some say alcohol and other intoxicants. Some say alcohol and other intoxicants that lead to "heedlessness." Some say all intoxicants lead to heedlessness and that thus the fifth precept asks us to refrain from all of them.
A very fine Sri Lankan translator and Buddhist scholar personally told me that the fifth precept should be translated thus: "I take it upon myself to refrain from the irresponsible use of alcohol which can cause heedlessness." I may have the words slightly off, but his point was refraining from "irresponsible use" of alcohol and that "irresponsible" means becoming "heedless."
This reading gives two possible interpretations but then blends them into one by saying that however you look at it "the precept implicitly proscribes these drugs by way of its guiding purpose, which is to prevent heedlessness caused by the taking of intoxicating substances." And this means that the Buddha was saying that all intoxicants should be avoided.
This all leads me to ask a few questions:
1. Do all "intoxicants" (loaded word) lead to heedlessness?
2. If the Buddha meant all "intoxicants," why did he specify only alcohol? We all know that the Buddha was an extremely careful and precise speaker. Why then did he phrase the fifth precept this way--"I undertake the training rule to abstain from fermented and distilled intoxicants which are the basis for heedlessness."? Why didn't he say: "I undertake the training rule to abstain from all intoxicants"?
3. Were other intoxicants available in the Buddha's day? I believe the answer to this is yes. We know that soma was considered as a God in the Vedas, and we can guess that soma was a drug of some kind, possibly the psychedelic mushrooms amanita muscaria or psilocybin. It could have been a mixture of those and other plants including Syrian Rue, cannabis, and/or opium. We may never know what soma was exactly, but we do know that it was highly praised and that it probably was some kind of plant or a mixture of plants. Widespread use of soma may have died out before the Buddha's day, but that does not mean that soma, or something like it, was not used during his lifetime. We can be quite certain that amanita muscaria or psilocybin grew in that region (amanita in the woods, psilocybin in cow dung). We know that amanita is used today in Siberia, Mongolia, and probably Tibet. We know that psychedelic drugs were and are widely used throughout the Americas in traditional cultures. Wherever they are used traditionally - whether in Asia, Africa, Europe, or the Americas - they are described as teachers that lead to wisdom if used properly and only as "intoxicants" that lead to "heedlessness" if used improperly.
4. Would the Buddha have had access to these kinds of plants? I think it is almost certain that he would have.
5. Would he have used them? If he had access, which as a prince he must have, and if he were curious about his mind and the world (which surely he was), and if he lived at a time (which he did) when psychedelics were seen as wisdom plants, I think it is more than likely that he would have used them.
6. Now we are back to the first question with a little more oomph. If he did use them, why did he not specifically tell his followers to abstain from them? With less oomph, even if he did not use them, why did he not specifically tell his followers to abstain from them?
7. When Ashoka purged the Sangha, was the use of psychedelic drugs one of the practices he purged? Are the roots of esoteric Buddhism to be found in psychedelic plants? How far back in time do those roots reach?
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Buddhism & Mind Altering Substances
Oh dear, here goes......
Having recently put my foot in my mouth with my (in serious need of editing, but arrived back too late to do it) comments re: Sibel Edmonds and the media, I'm very hesitant to comment again so quickly. But I simply can't help myself, and here's why:
Yes, there's sufficient evidence.....scholarly work, even recent history (see: Native American use of peyote & tobacco) to substantiate the notion that mind altering substances were sometimes an integral part of some facets of spiritual realization, even initiation.
Some recommended books might include:
"The Road to Eleusis: Unveiling the Secrets of the Mysteries",
"Soma: Divine Mushroom of Imortality",
"The Eleusinian and Bacchic Mysteries",
and "Dreamtime: Concerning the Boundary Between Wilderness and Civilization".
But I for one find ABN's frequent focus on psychedelics a bit troubling. It's not for me to criticize, I'm hardly qualified to do so. Yet it's a safe guess that not all your readers are scholars (myself included) and ABN may be risking encouraging use of these substances. And very dangerous they are too.
It seems I've a flair for stating the obvious, and I'm conscious that encouraging drug use is not ABN's intent, but once again it bears mentioning; particularly considering the age in which we live.
Best wishes as always
sylvester: Point taken, but
sylvester:
Point taken, but I do not see a problem. Firstly, there is a ton of info on psychedelics elsewhere on the net and in many other places. Secondly, anyone exposed to the teachings of the Buddha will be very likely to think long and hard before actually taking those things; exposure to Buddhism will probably lessen the odds that people will use those substances, especially irresponsibly. Thirdly, this is a Buddhist-oriented site and the subject is interesting.
We share your concern about using any of these substances, and you are right, we do not want to encourage their use in any way. That said, it's usually best to be honest and give the best info available. People are smart and capable of making good decisions about stuff like this.
"Point taken"?
"Point taken, but I do not see a problem."
"People are smart and capable of making good decisions about stuff like this."
.....Are they.
I'd suggest that if you do not see a problem, you are not looking closely enough.
I've dead friends as a result of their most casual psychedelic use.....others with their minds scarcely intact.
It seems I've hit a nerve here. It was not my intent to offend anyone, let alone ABN. This should have been readily apparent in my statements above.
Best wishes
To continue onto another
To continue onto another aspect of this fascinating subject...
Apart from whatever dangers they may pose to the user, many psychoactive/psychedelic plants/fungi deserve admiration for their physical beauty and splendor alone. Below is a compilation of links to photographs of various plants that have been used by humans for shamanistic/ceremonial/artistic purposes:
Salvia Divinorum, Diviner's Sage
Cannabis Sativa, Marijuana
Papaver Somniferum, Opium Poppy -- closeup
Papaver Somniferum, Opium Poppy -- field
Artemisia Absinthium, Wormwood
Amanita Muscaria, Fly Agaric
Psilocybe Coprophila, Magic Mushroom
Ipomoea Violacea, Morning Glory
Lophophora Williamsii, Peyote Cactus
Nicotiana Tabacum, Tobacco
Note: I do not advise growing or using these things, though some of them (tobacco, wormwood, morning glory, and, in many areas, opium poppies) are totally legal and common in home gardens. I can't resist talking about these four a bit. If you're not interested in gardening, don't bother reading on.
Tobacco is a tall, beautiful, stately plant that is not difficult to grow. Plus, it has surprising uses: Strip the mature leaves toward the end of the season, hang them to dry for a few months, set them aside, and brew them into a strong "tea" the next summer for use as a natural pesticide. Has worked for me on aphids and white fly. Wormwood (used in the making of absinthe, a.k.a. "the green fairy") is a distinctive, attractive perennial with silvery foliage that contrasts beautifully with the greens and burgundies of other common landscape plants. Wormwood is very cold-hardy. It is also drought-tolerant, making it useful for dry areas. Morning glories are beautiful and easy to grow. (Many people think they are TOO easy to grow...it is true that they tend to self-sow like crazy, if given half a chance!) They have attractive foliage, are available in many brilliant colors, and actually prefer poor soil. Poppies are interesting at all stages of development. The foliage, which is often a soft gray-green color, is weird and sort of prehistoric-looking. The buds are curiously pendant before opening, which provides an interesting contrast to any erect flowers and seed pods that may be nearby. When the buds are just beginning to open, they sort of "crack" lengthwise, in a manner that looks strangely vaginal. The flowers characteristically "dance" atop their wiry stems, which is a pleasure to behold on a breezy, early-summer day. The blooms are very ephemeral, lasting only a few days, thus offering a useful subject for contemplation on impermanence, if you're into that sort of thing. The huge seed pods that develop after the petals fall are attractive and strange, like the rest of the plant. The mature seeds of many varieties are delicious and have been used for centuries in cakes, breads and savory dishes. (And nowadays on poppyseed bagels!) Also, if you like poppies but don't want to grow Somniferum there are many other types. The "Shirley" type with the light-colored centers is one of my favorites.
"If (we're) not interested"?
Right, this is getting a bit out of hand.
Wormwood can be a very, even instantly deadly herb/root.
And regardless of whatever colourful language you choose to frame it in, the seeds/blossoms of morning glories, poppies, and any number of above mentioned (and unmentioned) psychoactive seeds/plants, are simply stated: very pretty to look at, but deadly in the hands of amateurs.
This may be a Buddhist site but that does not imply or necessitate that only rational Buddhists will read ABN's comments (or mine for that matter) and will not abuse the information provided here.
I remind ABN that you may have MILLIONS of readers worldwide, and not all are Buddhists.
I shame to make such comments, but ABN it seems has made them necessary.
If I'm off tack, if I've once again inserted my foot in my mouth, I'll very happily acknowledge it and emphatically apologize.
In no special order, we
In no special order, we believe:
1) Most drugs should be legal and regulated like alcohol and tobacco because:
a) drug use among adults is mainly a privacy issue and not the proper business of government
b) regulation keeps drugs away from children more effectively than criminal prohibition
c) our current laws are counterproductive, causing more harm than the drugs themselves; they also waste resources and endanger law enforcement personnel
2) Truthful education about drugs is always better than untruthful propaganda, which historically has been the rule for most government and media "information" about drugs.
3) Drug use among the young is fairly common. More than eight percent of high school seniors have used LSD, and the figures for cannabis of course are much higher.
4) Drugs, including psychedelics, have played a very long and important role in human history, and especially in the history of art, religion, and mental health.
5) At American Buddhist Net we strive to "Do our best. Speak the truth." This includes speaking the truth about drugs, their history, their uses, and especially their influence on Buddhism. For most of the time we have been on line, we have had very little to say about drugs. Since the public's view of cannabis and cannabis laws has been changing very rapidly over the past year or so, we have increased our coverage of cannabis laws with an eye to supporting full legalization for the reasons given. About two months ago I started reading more about the history of drug use and have shared some of the information I have found with readers of this site.
6) We believe that truthful information about drugs, drugs and Buddhism, and the history of drugs is of value to the community. If people encounter such information on this site, they will also be likely to associate it with Buddhist practices of moderation, wisdom, mindfulness, and avoiding heedlessness. We dislike censorship and believe that our readers, including younger ones, are fully intelligent enough to see and understand the full story of drugs and drug history and will be less likely to be seduced by a desire for transient thrills if the information is viewed in a Buddhist context and perceived to be truthful, or as truthful as we can get it.
7) We do not want to encourage drug use and do not believe that discussing its history or role in Buddhism does encourage that.
We appreciate your concern. Please look around the web more if you have not already. There are thousands of pages on drugs--legal ones, illegal ones, prescribed ones, and so on. Just today there is a story about Michael Jackson's doctor being charged with murder for injecting a legal drug for the wrong reason. It is fair to wonder if Michael had had better information about drugs if he would still be alive today. Just today there is also another story about a quick and easy way to make methamphetamines. I am sure you can find many more every day of the week.
I doubt I have covered everything in the above but hope the general idea is clear. We appreciate your input and completely respect that you may have a different view of the matter.
psychoactive plants
Sylvester:
I was talking about those plants' usefulness in ornamental horticulture, not as entheogens. At no point did I recommend consumption of any toxic parts of any of them.
The fact that these common garden plants have been used historically as entheogens (or as sources of food, medicine, dye, fibers, fragrant oil, poison for hunting weapons, or as vessels and tools, etc.) just makes them more interesting. Gardeners love talking about this stuff. If it is dangerous simply to share information about such things because "amateurs" might see it and get "ideas", then we've got a lot of plant encyclopedias, seed bank catalogs, herbalist literature, naturalist guides, and garden center tags to find and censor. If it is dangerous to have wormwood in your yard because someone might accidentally or intentionally chew on a sprig and get sick, then we've got many millions of plants to find and destroy. Same with poppies. People love these plants and are interested in them. Why shouldn't we talk about them, all aspects of them, if we want to?
My bad then.
Having reviewed my late nite comments of a few days ago, I'm reminded of a bit of dialog from "The Name Of The Rose":
".....Forgive me Venerable Jorge, my remarks were truly out of place".
nah, it's nobody's bad.
nah, it's nobody's bad. alternate perspectives are good.
.....
What about the fact that these entheogens (when used correctly) do in fact dissolve the ego, remove our desires, cravings, prejudices, fears, and make us infinite? Does this sound like a familiar story to any of you Buddhists??! The Dalai Lama said that if science proves something in Buddhism to be false, then we should accept the science and reject the Buddhist teaching.
The few studies which have been conducted with substances such as psilocybin have proved to be extremely useful. One current study is using psilocybin mushrooms to help terminal cancer patients cope with death, and it has been largely successful.
There is really not enough scientific data to say for sure (due to irrational prohibition and misunderstanding), but to me it seems that psilocybin and other plant substances could really help a lot of people become more happy and compassionate in their lives. I know they helped me in my time of need. It is very true that these powerful substances can be misused and abused, but so can anything else. I think we should all look at these substances with open-mindedness and move towards a new era of understanding.
We should also note that not all intoxicants are the same. One thing that is for sure, is that it is impossible to die from ingesting psilocybin mushrooms or marijuana. Yet look at all the legal drugs that our society views as ok. Endless prescription medications (which have much more acutely damaging effects on the liver and brain), alcohol, cigarettes.
I would love to hear what you smart people have to say.
psychoactive plants
There's a book you might enjoy reading (if you haven't already read it) called "Food of the Gods" by Terence McKenna. In it he suggests that humans and plant-derived hallucinogens/psychoactive substances that they discovered in their environment actually co-evolved, and that it's due at least in part to the psycho-symbiotic relationships we developed with plants and mushrooms that we are the way we are, big brains and all. Naturally occurring hallucinogens, he suggests, made us capable of mental hyper-focus; allowed us to sit and wait for long periods of time without getting bored; could induce sharp bursts of energy and strength, useful for hunting; could induce in the user a sense of fearlessness in the face of danger, also useful for hunting and war; transported us beyond ordinary survival-based sensory reality, opening up our imaginations and getting us to think about ourselves; sharpened sensory and cognitive faculties including memory, depth perception, visual acuity, color recognition, etc.; facilitated deep bonding with others; facilitated language development; heightened sexual desire and experience; and generally helped to synergize various modes of perception. It seems plausible and is definitely interesting.