Panchenko talks with Dugin

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I have watched about half of this. It is well worth viewing. Important to listen to dialog between two reasonable people, one Ukrainian and the other Russian, with some nuance. In an important sense, the war between Russia and Ukraine can serve as a warning to the West—what we want is not a war between the West and Russia but an alliance between the West and Russia. With Trump this is entirely achievable. Rather than continue this tragedy and make it worse, we have now the chance to turn it around and make everything much better. Russia, Europe, USA — all friendly and benefitting mutually from the resources and talents of each other. This is what statesmen look for and achieve. ABN