I doubt most know anything about him or the other guy unfortunately. Charlie started to wander off the plantation. He was becoming a liability. This was a warning to others.
Until these questions are answered, I don’t believe one word of it. The writing on the bullet casings and finding out he lives with a trans is a nice and easy deflection. This story has more holes than a loaf of sourdough. Expect another Butler type “investigation”. And they have already planted the seed the kid is suicidal. Jus sayin.
Ian Smith, Sr. @iansmithfitness People get upset for not accepting the official government narrative of Kirk’s death – as if questioning a government that has done nothing but lie is somehow disrespectful. If anything, blindly accepting the cute gift-wrapped narrative is. Charlie was a man who encouraged questioning. Let’s walk through some of the contradictions and questions. 1) Discord evidence. Officials claim digital chats were found mapping the plan, but Discord says it’s not on their servers. So where is it? Screenshots? Forensics? Chain of custody? If a planner is smart enough to scout/escape, why leave a confession on a public platform? 2) No ballistics and caliber. We still don’t have a lab match between the rifle and the bullet that killed Charlie. Until there’s rifling/toolmark confirmation, everything else is noise. Officials can end this instantly with the fired bullet’s measured lands/grooves and a simple one-page lab prelim. Why haven’t they? 3) Rifle fairy tale. Video shows the runner without a rifle at several points. So he had to disassemble it. Are we supposed to believe he then re-assembled it just to dump it in the woods? 4) Family contradiction. Grandmother claims nobody in the family is a leftist and she’s never seen him touch a gun. That clashes with the leftist narrative and the story of a calm, competent shooter. 5) Confession theater. Shooter executes the plan under pressure, escapes, then immediately tells on himself via dad/minister. You don’t pull off a precise shot and then sprint home for a group confession circle. 6) Decoys. Two decoy arrests/contacts the same night. If this was a lone impulsive student, why the extra moving parts? Who coordinated this? 7) The plane. A private jet near the scene “disappears” from public tracking right after the shooting. We’re told “nothing to see here.” Cool, then release the ADS-B raw logs, tower audio, and a simple flight timeline. 8) Security. Clips show odd hand signals and movements around Charlie seconds before the shot. If that’s normal, let’s see an official breakdown of who those people were and what they were signaling. 9) Motive tangle. Information suggests Charlie had public disagreements with major donors and was pivoting harder to America-First fights. Ask the most basic question: cui bono? Who benefits from the story we’re being sold? 10) Wardrobe shift. Rooftop figure is head-to-toe black. The suspect appears in different clothing. If the shooter changed, where are the discarded clothes? Recovered? Tested for GSR/DNA? Logged? Show the evidence tags. 11) Rooftop access unclear. Which door, hatch, or ladder? Card swipe? Alarm trip? Camera angles? If the route is “known,” release the complete path with timestamps. A campus roof isn’t a bus stop. 12) Camera gaps. We get a few convenient snippets but no uninterrupted multi-angle sequence from roof to woods. Where’s the full pull from all cams? Redactions can protect privacy but cuts protect narratives. 13) Forensics. No GSR [Gun Shot Residue] results from the suspect’s hands/clothes. No latent prints/DNA announced on the rifle, scope, or towel. No matching shoe prints/soil transfer from the roof. These are day-one tests. Where are they? 14) Geodata. If the FBI has the right man, they have his location history, pings, and IP logs. Publish the warrant returns (redacted) that place his device at the roof and along the dump route. 15) Backpack & gear. Backpack color/cut in roof footage vs later images of the suspect aren’t a clean match. Was the pack recovered? Contents? Gloves? Optic cover? Sling? Any of it booked into evidence? 16) Media choreography. The most cinematic detail (the father/minister pipeline) was rolled out before forensics. That primes the public with a tidy moral arc while the science lags. Classic play. If the FBI has the shooter, show the receipts. Not some “I’ll see you in Valhalla” bullshit. Until then this case is a puzzle with pieces hammered to fit. We don’t need another polished narrative. We need proof. 11:30 AM · Sep 13, 2025 · 117.3K Views
In other words, reading between the lines: The night before Kirk’s talk at UVU, rabbi Wolicki asked to have a one-hour Zoom conversation with him, to go through his pro-Israel “talking points”, because many of his fans “were turning on Israel” and “there were prominent people … actively working to [get him to] drop his support for Israel on a daily basis.” (In other words, Kirk was pushed in an anti-Israel direction by his followers and by people like Carlson and Owens, and needed strong opposite pressure to stay in line.) Kirk was “in a combative mood”, “playing the role of devil’s advocate.” (In other words, the conversation turned into an argument.) Kirk was assassinated the next day.
Another point I have not seen brought up is the timing of the shot is said to have been .23 seconds, which comes from an audio measurement of the shot from firing to hitting Kirk.
How do we know the audio has not been doctored?
That would be an easy thing to do. That .23 seconds yields a distance of 143 yards, precisely the distance the sniper is said to have been away from Kirk.
But that ‘sniper’ ran off with no apparent gun in hand.
Also, no bullet has been recovered and there appear to be no signs of it exiting, which should have been conspicuous.
Why did Kirk’s security immediately clean up the scene? And why did Zinn act like a decoy immediately after the shot?
There are numerous anomalies like these in the so-far official story of what happened. ABN
In just a couple of days, an impressive amount of information has been brought to light pointing to Israel’s strong motive to take out Charlie Kirk ASAP. I will here compile that information, as I found it on X and other Internet outlets.
In doing so, I am not influenced by my personal opinion on Kirk. I hardly ever listened to him before the last three days, and my opinion was mostly negative. Today, I still feel that Nick Fuentes was right in his very severe judgment of him as a traitor to his country paid by Israel to keep the MAGA movement in line with Israel’s interests, even when he was doing some “damage control”. That doesn’t mean, in my view, that Kirk was not sincere in his defense of Israel. As an evangelical Christian, he probably really saw this as a calling from God. On the other hand, I think that ambitious men are never exclusively interested by truth, that men in general (women included) are very good at lying to themselves about their true motivations, and that religion is a very practical way to lie to yourself. I also think that Kirk, although an energetic and talented fast talker, was not extremely intelligent—less intelligent than Fuentes, in my view. Like Fuentes, I don’t think anybody who supports Israel because the Bible tells him so can be very intelligent.
So based on what I have seen recently, I believe that Kirk was turning, but I wouldn’t be able to say to what extent his turning was motivated by his love for truth and morality, or by his concern for keeping the trust of his base of followers, and saving his political future. I suppose he was feeling opposite pressures from two sides: from his pro-Israel backers on the top, demanding that he keeps his unconditional support of Israel, and from his grass-root followers on the bottom, who find Israel’s actions and Israel’s influence on U.S. policies more and more unbearable (Kirk’s followers also listen to Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens or Nick Fuentes).
Whatever his motivations were, and no matter how far he was planning to go in his critics of Israel, the fact is that he had gone quite far already.
Simon makes a decent point, but don’t throw the crowd out with the bathwater. Nothing is perfect. Millions of Brits needed a reason to show their mettle. Who organized it is not the main feature. We have to work with percentages. A huge crowd like this inspires tens of millions, perhaps hundreds of millions. Don’t make perfect be the enemy of pragmatics. ABN
The West clings to its delusion of supremacy like a fading empire hoarding tarnished trophies.
It’s the same old playbook for them.
They spin a narrative, call it truth, and expect the world to bow.
They do this with everything. From marketing product sales, to politics.
To grasp the Middle East’s geopolitics, you have to understand this Western narrative framework.
“Terrorism” is always the villain, and the West, the gallant hero, swoops in to save the day.
There’s no reality where the resistance topples Israel and “wins” the Middle East.
That’s not how the script works.
The West demands its victory lap, claiming it tamed the savages and gifted the region peace.
The reality however, is that their grand experiment failed to become a hegemony so they need to wrap this up, and demote Israel to just another player integrated into the region’s control.
That’s the reality. That’s the outcome.
The Gulf states get this. They ditch the ego and pride and see the board for what it is. And they couldn’t care less what the region thinks of them.
Outcomes over optics.
Many on here don’t understand this. Frankly, they should not be involving themselves with geopolitics.
Just pay attention over your timeline. Anyone saying the Gulf states are an embarrassment or a humiliation over this Doha strike,
are the ones being played by the Western narrative. They care about the narrative of optics over the reality outcomes.
They care about shit like honor, integrity, glory when the stakes are far more substantial.
These people are like naive children.
They don’t just fall short when it comes to geopolitics. They often conduct themselves poorly in other domains within their life.
I see it in corporate very often.
Very easy to manipulate.
They become part of the means for people who shape outcomes.
Decentralization will be the new strategy for Hamas.
The Doha strike proved that no single location is safe, accelerating Hamas’s move toward a dispersed leadership model.
From what I am gathering from the region, the group has already established a political office in Baghdad and maintains a significant presence in Istanbul.
This swift readjustment just proves once again, just how coordinated all this is.
This shift to a multi-node network across several friendly nations is a logical evolution to maintain survival and slow integration. Intelligence collection will be forced to pivot from monitoring a single headquarters to mapping this distributed and more elusive network.
This will naturally mitigate the risk while significantly raising the cost of Israel attempting further strikes in the absence of undeniable proof that Hamas is still strong and active.
To understand and make sense of all this, you need to walk the western narrative framework.
As I said,
the Israeli strike in Doha marks the end of the “safe haven” era for Hamas’s political bureau.
From here, I think Hamas will survive as an organization, its role in regional diplomacy will contract sharply,
with Arab states and TPS [Transnational Private Sector] actors seizing the initiative to reshape Palestinian governance.
UPDATE: Kirk is the kind of man who has been culled in USA and the West for many decades.
Usually, they are poisoned or maimed when they are young, before they gain a reputation like Kirk’s.
Men and boys like him are culled because they are strong, smart, can speak very well, are honest and do not fear telling the truth.
Across the West we hear women complaining where are the men who will protect us?
There are many factors but a very major one is millions of men with the natural ability to protect women and their societies have been destroyed even before they became adults.
It’s a military strategy and has been very effective in destroying the West.
As a nation or civilization, it is difficult to find the will to fight against this strategy because those who hold power have been major beneficiaries of the culling process.
And that makes it very hard for them to see what is happening or do anything about it if they do. Consider how many feckless weaklings are flourishing in politics, media, art, teaching and more. ABN
These two appear to be signaling the sniper just before he fires. I know very little about Kirk or his assassination but will post information that may be of interest. As of today, many believe Israel was the culprit as Kirk, who had been a major supporter of Israel, had begun to turn on them. That meant his usefulness was over and their best propaganda option was to kill him. I am filing most of this kind of information under ‘speculation’. The shooting strongly appears to have been done by professionals. Another suspect is Ukraine but it is not clear why this would benefit them. Maybe they will be tagged as the fall guy. ABN
UPDATE: Candace is keeping at this story and it’s actually pretty good. She is weaving in MKULTRA, military connections and an ancient cult that dates back to pre-Christian times. She might have caught a really big fish. ABN
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